Discussion:
[chromium-html5] Ancient Coin Visual Keyboard - Need help with ancient font sets.
Daryl Rhoades
2018-06-22 04:19:31 UTC
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http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ancientwhitesheet/AC-VK-Greek-Latin.html

That's the link directly to my keyboard which was designed by me as a
visual aid to help ID coins by copying whatever characters you entered that
can be pasted to other websites like Facebook, Notepad, and editing
programs on your PC platform like Windows 10, etc. These keyboards can also
be used on cell phones so you can be at a coin show and ID coins on the
fly. If you are a metal detector and if you find a coin you can type the
legend characters and try to ID your coin.

There are several modern and ancient font character sets. There are 2-4
sets on each page which better facilitates translating coin types like
Greek, Roman Imperial, Roman Provincial, Israel Judaea coins, etc.

Font sets supported so far are Greek, Latin, Phoenician, Russian, Armenian,
Arabic, Aramaic, Syriac, Kharosthi

Most of these ancient font sets are supported well in Chrome if you have
the language support. Kharosthi has some major issues which I will explain
next. A font set for Nabataean which is a ancient group of people in upper
Saudi Arabia and through modern day Jordan, which will not display in
Chrome or in any other browser, so I don't have a keyboard for it. I would
like to make one, sure.

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Kharosthi - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharosthi

This is a difficult one to explain how it malfunctions but I will try.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharoshthi_(Unicode_block)

Here is the unicode block for the basic character set. Those characters
display just fine. The problem is when you want use a vowel character which
transforms the isolated form character to another. Kharosthi characters are
usually inherent with "A", for example KA is the isolated form. The vowels
are A, I, U, R, E, O. If you have KA inherent and use one of the vowels the
character will transform to KO, KE, KRA, KU, KI. for example.

When you are trying to use a vowel, the main inherent character doesn't
transform as you would want or expect. The carrot will jump behind the
inherent character with the vowel mark behind the main character and not
transform that character at all. When you enter the next non vowel
character, the carrot will jump back to the right position. This is a right
to left reading and writing character set similar in the manner that Arabic
is read and written but only in that way.

I wonder if this issue can be fixed by you guys inside Chrome because it
would be most helpful for this keyboard and those that want to ID
Indo-Greek coins like Kushan, Bactrian and many other region kingdom types
that use the Kharosthi script font set.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabataean_alphabet

Nabataean alphabet is not supported at all in Chrome. The characters show
at the top and the vertical alphabet character chart because those are
images for Nabataen. The unicode block is what you want to look at and see
that none of the characters display and are boxed out. Every single person
I asked about this and read on forums all have the same issue. Seems like
there is no support for displaying Nabataean yet. Would be nice too because
then characters on Nabataean coins can be displayed and studied easier.

Nabataean is a right to left ancient language and also has ligatures
similar to Arabic.

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I hope something can be worked out in the way of giving me advice to
correct this issue or adding support to Chrome for some of the issues I'm
having.

Thank you very much.
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PhistucK
2018-06-22 10:34:22 UTC
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Sorry, I have not read the entire message, so forgive me if this answer is
redundant.

Most of the "exotic" language pages on Wikipedia have (or used to have?) a
warning that states that certain characters might not be rendered correctly
because they require certain fonts. I guess this is your case as well, you
need to use a web font (or make the user install an appropriate font and
use that) with support for those characters for rendering characters from
that language.

The browser can usually render whatever you give it, regardless of the
unicode block - it just will not show the right characters if there are no
fonts that contain those characters. Browsers usually do not bundle fonts
within them, the use system/web fonts.

☆*PhistucK*
Post by Daryl Rhoades
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ancientwhitesheet/AC-VK-Greek-Latin.html
That's the link directly to my keyboard which was designed by me as a
visual aid to help ID coins by copying whatever characters you entered that
can be pasted to other websites like Facebook, Notepad, and editing
programs on your PC platform like Windows 10, etc. These keyboards can also
be used on cell phones so you can be at a coin show and ID coins on the
fly. If you are a metal detector and if you find a coin you can type the
legend characters and try to ID your coin.
There are several modern and ancient font character sets. There are 2-4
sets on each page which better facilitates translating coin types like
Greek, Roman Imperial, Roman Provincial, Israel Judaea coins, etc.
Font sets supported so far are Greek, Latin, Phoenician, Russian,
Armenian, Arabic, Aramaic, Syriac, Kharosthi
Most of these ancient font sets are supported well in Chrome if you have
the language support. Kharosthi has some major issues which I will explain
next. A font set for Nabataean which is a ancient group of people in upper
Saudi Arabia and through modern day Jordan, which will not display in
Chrome or in any other browser, so I don't have a keyboard for it. I would
like to make one, sure.
-------------------------------
Kharosthi - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharosthi
This is a difficult one to explain how it malfunctions but I will try.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharoshthi_(Unicode_block)
Here is the unicode block for the basic character set. Those characters
display just fine. The problem is when you want use a vowel character which
transforms the isolated form character to another. Kharosthi characters are
usually inherent with "A", for example KA is the isolated form. The vowels
are A, I, U, R, E, O. If you have KA inherent and use one of the vowels the
character will transform to KO, KE, KRA, KU, KI. for example.
When you are trying to use a vowel, the main inherent character doesn't
transform as you would want or expect. The carrot will jump behind the
inherent character with the vowel mark behind the main character and not
transform that character at all. When you enter the next non vowel
character, the carrot will jump back to the right position. This is a right
to left reading and writing character set similar in the manner that Arabic
is read and written but only in that way.
I wonder if this issue can be fixed by you guys inside Chrome because it
would be most helpful for this keyboard and those that want to ID
Indo-Greek coins like Kushan, Bactrian and many other region kingdom types
that use the Kharosthi script font set.
--------------
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabataean_alphabet
Nabataean alphabet is not supported at all in Chrome. The characters show
at the top and the vertical alphabet character chart because those are
images for Nabataen. The unicode block is what you want to look at and see
that none of the characters display and are boxed out. Every single person
I asked about this and read on forums all have the same issue. Seems like
there is no support for displaying Nabataean yet. Would be nice too because
then characters on Nabataean coins can be displayed and studied easier.
Nabataean is a right to left ancient language and also has ligatures
similar to Arabic.
----------------
I hope something can be worked out in the way of giving me advice to
correct this issue or adding support to Chrome for some of the issues I'm
having.
Thank you very much.
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